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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 19, 2007 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

One more thing--you know that CLIFF is the one that originally sang the praises of this obscure show, right?

Credit where credit is due...

Hope you are well brother CLIFF.

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Poster: sel2ims Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

I didn't lose any sleep last night.

This one for you, you 2ucker
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-06-27.sbd.samaritano.20547.sbeok.shnf

p.s. If anyone is looking to purchase a new pedal steel, look into a "SUNNY" brand.



This post was modified by sel2ims on 2007-08-20 00:45:15

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Aug 19, 2007 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Wish you would be there with us will tell but, Glad you are there in spirit brother. And yes give the credit to cliff.

Peace, Wharf

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 19, 2007 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Genuine query. How is is it that "CLIFF" (and why the worshipful caps?) gets such cudos when "cliff" can be such a total paranoid asshole?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

i cannot answer for mr. Tell, however, i have had many, many off-forum conversations with Cliff, and he is, like many here, a very cool & generous soul, with only the best of intentions; whatever his issues with certain forum members here, i can separate that from the person he is; he loved this place, more than you can ever know, but some decided to target him for abuse and insults when he sought only to keep this place respectful (read: not friggin warm & fuzzy, fuck that, but respect for the other members, disagreements yes, but hate-speech no, and no harm in that); whatever, as far as i am concerned, this place is lesser by his absence; got tons of respect for you Rob, and this is just my two pence so to speak

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Arbuthnot - I have much respect for you too, please believe that. I was genuinely dismayed by the, as far as I was concerned, unprovoked attack cliff made on me beginning on June 8. I know that I was as responsible as anyone when that deteriorated into an acrimonious shooting match but I was ignored when I tried to patch things up. I like to be respectful too, when it's due.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

"[the] unprovoked attack cliff made on me beginning on June 8"

i have to admit that that did shock me, and i was dismayed as well, particulary since it was directed at yourself, which i definitely thought very unwarranted

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 19, 2007 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Thank you, Arbuthnot. I appreciate that - I really do.

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Poster: Sideshow_Bob Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Paranoid? Who wants to know?

I'm right there with you. I feel that Cliff has been riding on capn doubledose and dr. flashback's coattails. The good dr. talks about the acoustic set of this show in his review of the outstanding 6-6-70. Cliff hasn't really shown us a show that one of those guys already didn't point out if you read their reviews.

Also check out dmilks reviews of shows from '88 to '95. That dude is right on the money most of the time. Not too many posters deadicated to that era either. Which makes his help even better.

Paranoia may destroy ya.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 19, 2007 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Fair enough (other's have commented on this show), but CLIFF was the one to bring it up here, sing its praises, and draw our attention to it. Not sure that it is contest about who said what first, but he did his work on this one vis a vis LMA members.

Good enough for me.

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Poster: Sideshow_Bob Date: Aug 20, 2007 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

I was mostly just agreeing with Rob. It takes a lot to extend a hand in peace, and when it gets ignored it is a hard pill to swallow.

I have been lurking here for awhile and watching the ebb and flow of this forum while gathering tremendous amounts of info on grate Dead shows.
It seems a difficult place to enter as a new poster. It's even more difficult to have an opinion that differs from someone else and not be ostracized for it. Oh well.
It is not difficult to understand why so many are jumping ship to deadhook though.

Peace to you and yours.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

We were all new at the beginning. I have found that it is an easy place to join--just focus on the music, and you'll be fine.

If your first posts are on recommendations, interpretations, etc., etc., nothing, and I mean nothing, will happen to you. Ignored, maybe. But, if you post about this poster or that poster, then, you're right, it will cause a different reaction. After you have become close to one poster or another, chiming in will seem natural, and others will be accepting of it.

At least I think that's how it works!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

good points Will, as per your usual spot-on observations; it's not about who is making the entrance, it's how one makes an entrance

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Well, this is a fine kettle of fish we find ourselves in...or, this is another fine mess you've gotten me in. Or some such.

Like you, Arb, I don't see the issue in this instance. Oh well, I've taken on this job, and might as well see it thru to the end, even if now I've upset the Wolf (& HF, in jest, I think).

Trust me, my friend, you can speak for me, anytime, any place (re: a prior post of yours). I would not be bothered nor offended. Rather, thankful.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

you obviously don't know cliff mister first-time poster

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Poster: Sideshow_Bob Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:28pm
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No, I don't know Cliff personally. I've read enough of his posts to know that I really don't want to either. He just isn't my bag baby.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

and hopefully i'm not either

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Poster: Sideshow_Bob Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Lines get drawn in the sand everyday. They blow away with the wind also.
I read when Rob reached out and apologized to Cliff. Takes a big person to say I'm sorry. Takes a big heart to let things go and make an attempt at reconciliation.
Cliff never even bothered to respond. That says a lot about character in my book.

That's all I'm basing my opinion on. Take it or leave it, but it is valid.
Peace to you and yours.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

good enough then, understood, you have demarcated your own lines in the sand by your initial posts here

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

A fair question. For me, it is the simple fact that we established a strong rapport born of our mutual love of 68, and have never exchanged a foul post between us. What some take for paranoia, I take for nothing more than I grant to others that have very different approaches to ethernet exchanges. In truth, those that have suffered the slings and arrows of posters to remain nameless will not be judged by me.

I cannot speak for others, but as for me I consider myself lucky to have made his acquaintance hereabouts.

Hope we are still okay, Rob. I count you as a fine forum friend.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 19, 2007 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Will - first off, yes absolutely we are ok. I count you as one of the finest fellows I never met. I just find it hard that Cliff seemingly gets away with, for no obvious good reason, calling into question the genuineness of posters such as myself and Stephanie Brown. I do not question at all his genuine love and knowledge of the music - but I do question his attitude towards others on the forum. My attempt at a reconciliation recently was met by silence.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Aug 20, 2007 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Apologies for being a day late and a dollar short here, but I really wanted to stick my nose in on this, as I was at least peripherally involved in that whole episode:

Cliff’s attack on you- or, more specifically, the rather ho-hum reaction to it by some of the veteran posters -was actually one of the things that convinced me it was way past time to cut down on my visits to this place.

I was more or less ready to let everything be after the initial meltdown, but I really had a hard time with the cold shoulder your peace offering recieved. Harder still was the knowledge that lesser known/less popular posters would be (and indeed have been) roundly condemned for the same type of language that earned little more than a shrug from many simply because it came from Cliff. If screaming vulgarities at people who have been maintaining a civil tone- even in the heat of vigorous debate – is indeed unacceptable, then it is unacceptable all the time, not just when one happens to not know or like the offending poster. I have reread the thread(s) regarding this matter several times and nowhere can I find anything remotely offensive enough to warrant the kind of venom Cliff spat first at you, then in all directions. Yet since then, I have read numerous posts praising the guy in almost reverent tones. It's like they were saying "Who ya gonna believe- me or your own two eyes?" The whole thing just smacks of a cliquishness and elitism that I find extremely distasteful.

I’m not suggesting that there shouldn’t be any forgiveness here, and I certainly won't deny that Cliff's tips on several shows sent me off in some wonderful directions, but I absolutely question these increasingly strident assertions that the forum is the poorer for his absence. I haven't been around as much, but overall things seem fairly calm.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Hey SB & Rob--sorry too; late to get to this...In his defense, he was rudely and dramatically flamed by 2 et al, much more seriously than any others (pirating his name, attacking him repeatedly, etc.), and though gruff, I would say his original posts, prior to all out war breaking out, were no more crude & rude than Dire's or a few others, and only directed at 2 et al. Did he go over board with other 'new' suspects? Perhaps, but I just don't see that a few cuss words warrant much reaction...he generally responded to what someone else said before he went off the deep end, and in the end, only really with Rob in response to (sorry Rob) an attack on his abilities to sniff out 2 & co...

So, other than being paranoid, which in his case you have to admit is justified, I don't think he did anything all that wrong (and as Rob well knows, I am usually overly sensitive in this respect). If you type in his name (under "search/forums") and just scan his many, many posts, you will see few that fit the description you two paint. Sorry, but that is how I see it.

My two cents.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 21, 2007 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

WT - after this I'll do my damnedest to keep quiet on the subject but I'm not letting this go:

"he generally responded to what someone else said before he went off the deep end, and in the end, only really with Rob in response to (sorry Rob) an attack on his abilities to sniff out 2 & co... "

Cliff, apropos of nothing at all that I could see, launched an unprovoked attack on me in early June. I, as is my nature, smacked back... and so on and so on. You can read the posts.

I categorically did not "attack his abilities to sniff out 2 & co... " I questioned them and asked for proof of his assertions, which is a quite different thing. The fact that huckerman and robinbutnotwealthy fingered the entirely innocent Stephanie Brown and user unknown is pretty sound evidence of flawed methodology on their part.

There you go - my 2 cents in exchange for yours.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

"The fact that huckerman and robinbutnotwealthy"

This is getting us somewhere?

This IS the problem. I can see it on both sides, and neither is holier than thou.

I defend Cliff (not sure why "CLIFF" is so offensive, but fine) because of our long relationship, here and elsewhere. You have been deeply offended, and I can appreciate that, though in my view it was more "collateral damage" than 'Cliff's a flaming asshole through and through and no one is calling him on it, etc.' That IS a direct attack on me, by you and SB--ie, that I do not see the great wrongs that he has done.

Just trying to make clear that there are reasons for my allegiance; of all people here, I would expect you to understand.

Sorry this has whole thing has extended to you, SB and me, but couldn't let it go either.

Know that without feeling like a two faced bastard I value the three of you (SB, Cliff and you) more so than you might guess.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 21, 2007 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stretch not that bow, Will Tell

WT - I'm disappointed that you chose to focus on the throw away part of my post (cliff and rich as the forum's caped crusaders - yes I do find levity helps) rather than the more substantive issues raised. No matter. But please don't sit there thinking I'm attacking you - I never had such a thought in my head.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stretch not that bow, Will Tell

Thanks Rob--appreciate that you are willing to kick this into the ground with me so that we can put it behind us.

Okay, fair enough (my focused response). But with respect to substance, the comments about my using all caps for Cliff (goes way back to our time together posting reviews) and the lack of response on my part to his supposed misbehavior certainly felt like an attack (ie, why I go along with him and not you, given you think very poorly of his behavior, thus by extension...right? That is the implication, right?).

And, one poster's levity is another poster's offensive behavior--again, it cuts both ways. Though I'll admit to being more often pleased with your sense of humor, I see it in others too.

You know by now that I work hard at 'proper behavior' (whatever that is), and perhaps I have been over-reacting but it just felt as if you and SB were in fact raising a significant question about my abilities in that regard.

If I misunderstood, my bad.

We can probably both let it go...at this point, I hope?

[I haven't addressed one of your points, in part because I thought "2" in fact fessed up to being "S Brown"...did I get that wrong? Whatever the case, here I agree that Rich was going too far, but didn't see it that way for Cliff...I agree with you and SDH that I could give a rat's ass about who anyone 'is' and only care about what they post...2 et al were only a problem when ganging up, derailing threads, etc.]

Take care man--it's too late for you to be doing this anymore!

Will

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 21, 2007 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: stretch not that bow, Will Tell

Will – yes long past time to let this one slide on by. I raise my virtual hat to the way you take a stand for ‘proper behaviour’ – I try to do the same but my frequent falls from grace are there for all to see. No question is raised about your abilities in that regard.

By the by – I believe Stephanie Brown is a genuine poster who has recently been welcomed into Deadhook, so you may have a chance to make her acquaintance there. I think Cliff and rich both failed to take into account the fact that she is English and uses English vernacular (always grounds for suspicion I know…*) and that she is a woman (rich objected to the fact that she wanted to hug Jerry). So, sorry old friend, but I believe you did get that one wrong.

It’s too late for all of us to be doing this anymore.

You take care too.


*Caledonian mischief making.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: arrow back in quiver

Cool Rob! That's a rap.

We're good--And, I will look for her (SB) at Hook (warm and fuzzy, but some new blood for my 68 rantings).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

how the hell did i get brought up in this???

what the frig????

whatever as usual.......

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2007-08-20 22:32:51

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:36pm
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All moutains are compared to Everest.......I guess your the Everest of crude or aggresive posters.

I don't buy it, but that appears to be the slant.

Hey, everyone! Stop trashing Dire.

He has done nothing to warrant such negative comments.

Mr Tell - I understand what you meant, but Dire's behavior here is and has been appropriate 99% of the time. And the 1% happens mostly when he is poked by life or devious monkeys.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:08pm
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thanks brother Flow :) most appeciated. and i know my other brother WT meant nothing ill with the comment - i was only being a pill for the heck of it. glad to know i am a bit understood even though i can be a true asshole at times. thanks

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Aug 20, 2007 6:15pm
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Poked by devious monkeys?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 6:42pm
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Thanks for understanding, Dire...you too, Lou. Now if only we can get Rob and CLIFF together...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:48pm
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Excellent clarification, HF! I have acknowledged my wrong doing to the Wolfmeister, and with luck, will be forgiven for my obvious transgressions. You hit the nail on the head.

Now, as to why this deeply embedded thread is still being sought out by the likes of you and our beloved Wolf, I have no explanation. But I like it...

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:52pm
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Mr Tell - I did consider the source. There are few sources more pure than William Tell. :)

Just wanted Dire to know we love him. No matter what folks might say.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:57pm
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Whewww...and, I am right there with you; love the wolf, always have, always will. If he forgets, as a short haired newbie, I rose to his defense in the first attack I ever witnessed back in Nov of 06 ("snowed so hard..."), and I like to think that cuts some ice in his cold hearted bones...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:34pm
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Hey! I thought you wanted to be a part of it!

I hope, bro, that you are okay with my reference here...the Dire of old, I daresay. But the Dire I know and love. Seriously.

I used it only to make a point, and if it offended, my sincerest apologies. I never took any of your posts the 'wrong way' and I like to think that is what has happened to forum brother CLIFF.

Cool?

I was impressed that you 'found it' as I thought it was soooo DEEP it would slip past you!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:06pm
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i'm just being playful.... no harm no foul my good friend

i know the deal and my rep

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Aug 21, 2007 6:50am
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I totally respect your take, Will. It wasn’t my intention to paint a picture of Cliff. I also never said (during the original episode) Cliff was wrong about any specific allegation. I was just relaying my general dismay at seeing what amounts to a collective shrug from a number of more established posters toward Cliff’s vicious tirade against Rob. Yes, I realize Rob “called him out” for lack of a better term- but Cliff’s response was little more than the message board equivalent of a monkey flinging shit out of his cage. I just feel that if this demonstration had been put on by a less known or perhaps less popular poster, it would have been roundly condemned. I’m not trying to demonize the guy, but to me the whole thing has the distinct whiff of a double standard being applied- that is what I meant when I referred to “cliquishness and elitism.” You are 100% right when you state that few of Cliff’s posts were in this vein and indeed he posted many links to some fine shows.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 7:37am
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Hey SB--I think we are cool, and know that I respect your take on things...if you aren't completely pissed off or bored with this whole debacle, read my response to Rob below.

I am only now trying to rationalize and justify my lack of response to Cliff's actions...I have a different perspective in part due to many, many interactions with the guy. Short temper? Yeah. Cut some slack by other posters? To some degree--but understand that is always relative. When you understand someone's situation what it looks like to you and what it looks like to me are two entirely different things.

I just wanted you to understand that. Thanks for taking the time to consider it. I do appreciate it.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Aug 21, 2007 8:48am
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We're definately cool, Will- no problems here; just two different perspectives. I've said my piece and am gettin' out.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 9:32am
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Done! Thanks, though man--really appreciated. Hope I can reach the same with Rob, but fear I might have crossed a line. Just a bit of an over reaction on my part.

Hard to avoid around here!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 21, 2007 9:48am
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i just thank my lucky stars i've never crossed the line with any other posters 'round these parts. that is of course due to my kind and serene nature.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 10:40am
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Ha--you can really 'sniff' out these long lost threads, bro!

Good to know Rob, SB & I aren't just flinging this back and forth for nobody but ourselves!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 21, 2007 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

And WT, just to add another two pesos to the discussion that has gone on too long already, and i'm pointing the finger at myself of course, but i just want to reiterate for those who may not be aware (no fault of theirs), that there are discussions that happen off-site so-to-speak; for instance, several months ago a certain poster here who i respect posted something that i felt inappropriate and i took it off-line and let him know how i feel; fact is, it resolved itself far more amicably and without misunderstanding than if i had posted something here publically; fact is, whether here or in real life, you respond differently to folks, and it's a general truism that those we know and have developed a respect for, one in turn considers that respect and history when responding to what might be said; there, i'm done; best to you my distant friend

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 21, 2007 6:34pm
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Hey Arb--now that this is so long gone and buried it is our own private little email, let me say, without meaning to offend Rob or SB (with whom I am happy to say things are cool), I really appreciated your input on this whole odd affair. We both know the man in question, and both value his input and friendship, and though he may be paranoid (again, with good reason), and may be quick tempered, with respect to what sums to measure a man, he's okay by me.

And, though I have been so negligent with respect to e-communication it isn't worthy of an apology, trust that I continue to value your association in this strange place, and that of our good friends Ashes and Ian.

Did you ever decide if the new and improved Avalon shows somehow were an improvement over what we have? Trust me, I in no way mean that as an opening to request it from you, as I am too far behind in returned favors to you, PLUS, I do not think it could be possible (that they would be that much better).

But I am curious as to your take...if you find this deeply embedded response!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:53pm
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with all due respect, not all things that go on between forum members happen here on the forum, and that includes responses to what is posted; perhaps you should throw that into your analysis and revisit your thinking, if you can manage it

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 20, 2007 3:59pm
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Yes, perhaps they kissed and made nice outside the forum. I really wish they'd do that stuff in public....we really NEED a new scandal around here!

Smoochie-smoochie!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:04pm
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PLEASE! HiFlow, i thought i told you, you're too west coast for me, lol!

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:07pm
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RE-jected.......A-gain. Damn. Can't win fer tryin!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 20, 2007 4:13pm
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can we make smoochie outside the forum ???? oops - just posted this

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Aug 21, 2007 5:52am
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With respect back in kind, I’m well aware that off-forum machinations are a part of life around here and that things are not always as they seem. However, since it’s impossible to know the specific nature off any given offline conversation, knowing that people talk outside the forum really doesn’t in and of itself add any information when one is evaluating some of the goings on around here.

I’m always happy to revisit my thinking, and I absolutely understand that not everyone sees this issue the way I do- it's really not that big of a deal.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 21, 2007 6:42am
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skuzzlebutt - I'd just like to thank you for your support - it is much appreciated. So there's no confusion, let me say that I have had no contact in any form with cliff hucker outside the confines of this forum. Those I have had contact with are few and valued, and cliff isn't one of them.

I'm saying no more about this because I'd like this wound to be left to heal, if possible, but once again - thank you.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Aug 21, 2007 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

No problem at all.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 21, 2007 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

understood, but just to clarify, i was not in any way attempting to imply that Cliff had off-line discourse with Rob, in fact, i knew that he had not; i'm sorry the whole thing occured between two forum members that i have a good deal of respect for; and just for the record, nothing against yourself either, and i am glad that you raised the points you have without rancor or accusation; nazdravi

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 20, 2007 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

Sorry Rob--late in seeing this, but posted to both you and SB in my response to him...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Aug 19, 2007 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THANKS TO CLIFF

"Hope you are well brother CLIFF"

well said Mr. Tell! ... and you and i both know that Cliff kens the truth of things

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